How does the Chicago-based studio Iron Galaxy maintain a healthy work-life balance for all of its employees? On Kotaku Splitscreen, we talk to founder and Giant Bomb jokeman Dave Lang about his leadership philosophies and how Iron Galaxy avoids crunch.
Last week in Los Angeles, I sat down with Lang to talk about founding Iron Galaxy to make video games with his friends, the sacrifices they have to make in order to ensure their 140-person team doesnât work any overtime, and accepting that they might never be every gamerâs favorite game company.
Listen above, or read an excerpt here:
Dave Lang: When I started IG, the only goal was to work with my friends for the next 30 years. I donât care what we do. Thereâs not this game in my head that needs to get out. Only thing I give a shit about is that I get to work with my best friends until I retire. And everything in the company is optimized towards that goal.
Jason: Thatâs cool. One of the reasons I wanted to talk to you is that poking around the Chicago game dev scene, you guys have a reputation for not crunching, for treating your workers like human beings. Who wouldâve thought thatâd be a strange thing? Is that because of your experiences at Midway?
Lang: I was trying to think of the best way to answer. I have kind of a weird relationship with crunch personally. I had this big Twitter thread where I enumerated a bunch of bad crunch experiences in my life. If youâve done this job long enough, youâve missed a wedding. Youâve missed a kidâs birthday. Youâve made a personal sacrifice.
Jason: Hopefully you havenât missed your own wedding.
Lang: Not my own, thank goodness. I did cancel my first honeymoon, though.
Jason: Wow.
Lang: So that thread is a lot about: âWow, this part sucked.â But personally I donât hate crunch. Iâm not a staunch anti-crunch advocate. Iâve worked on games where you crunch crazy and I had a fun time doing it, because Iâm there with my friends, and weâre doing things like that. Iâm not one of these people who believes after 40 hours you start making more mistakes, and itâs ineffective.
If game team B is working 60 hours a week, and weâre working 40 hours a week, theyâre going to have a better game than we will. Thatâs just a fact. The difference is I donât give a shit. One of my leadership philosophies is: donât ask anyone to do something I wouldnât be willing to do myself. And at this point in my life, I donât want to work. I want to work less than 40 hours a week if I can. I want to spend time with my kids. And when Iâm not spending time with my kids, I want to jump into Discord with my friends, drink wine, and shoot people in the face online. Thatâs what I want to do. I want to travel.
And because I donât want to do that, it feels really crappy to ask other people to do it, and I just donât run the company that way.
Jason: So by your own logic arenât you sacrificing the quality of the stuff you guys work on?
Lang: Weâll just get more time or whatever. Thereâs other ways to skin the cat. That was more to illustrate: I donât believe working less gets better results, like some people do. That was more illustrating that point. But sometimes, I think when people work with us, they know our policy generally, but they do it anyway because they knowâ Weâre often in a situation where, âHey port game X to platform Y for us,â and weâre getting 30 bids or whatever it is. I know weâll be in the top three most expensive and longest, I just know we will. That means we tend to work with people who value quality over money, and people who have planned their [platforms] far enough in advance where they can let us take longer to do it. We still get there, it just costs the publisher more money, but they know itâs going to be good, itâs not going to be like a carrier landing.
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